Is there ANY hope for game streaming? We tried them all.

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There are so many game streaming services popping up, with so many idiosyncrasies, that it’s hard to keep it all straight. In this video, James takes Linus through a tour testing GeForce Now, Google Stadia, Microsoft Project Xcloud, and Sony PlayStation Now to see which one makes the most sense...except we didn't try Shadow.
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  • Ξ Y T H Λ X

    Ξ Y T H Λ X

    7 tuntia sitten

    shadow win

  • SpixlyTV

    SpixlyTV

    10 tuntia sitten

    If I could afford a nice new pc I’d be able to not use GeForce now

  • elPumaProductions

    elPumaProductions

    11 tuntia sitten

    Stadia also offers 4k and 5.1 surround audio in their pro subscription. Nvidia and PSNow tops at 1080p stereo.

  • elPumaProductions

    elPumaProductions

    11 tuntia sitten

    How about Shadow or Utomik?
    Shadow seems promising. But it's a shame they're not expanding so fast

  • Noah Leitch

    Noah Leitch

    11 tuntia sitten

    stadia acts like when you turn vsync on in csgo or l4d2

  • Tony ???

    Tony ???

    12 tuntia sitten

    He doesn't know about half the shit he talks about.

    • monika laosi

      monika laosi

      11 tuntia sitten

      signal tho, GeForce Now is a better option because it lowers the streaming quality to reduce tearing and decrease input lag

  • Andrew Gray

    Andrew Gray

    16 tuntia sitten

    No one ever mentions Parsec, but (with its own limitations) Parsec is exactly what it promises and what it claims to be.

    It's literally renting time on a virtual machine that can stream as much video and audio as your connection will handle, at latencies tied directly to your average number of hops between your PC and the server your VM is running on.
    I have no affiliation with them, and haven't used the service in a while. I mostly signed up for it out of curiosity.
    Their graphics-streaming-capable VMs run on AWS or Paperspace servers at a datacenter as geographically (and internet-infrastructurally) close to you as possible. In Seattle, I had ping times between 15 and 35ms. A lot of games with pretty decent graphics are solidly playable, even considering that graphics latency is far more sensitive than data latency. When I'd be signed in, I'd have traceroutes of five or six hops -- but at least theoretically, it's possible to bring that as low as four -- your router, your ISP, the datacenter and the VM server.

    What you get is a Windows virtual machine. Not a walled garden you have to pay extra to play games in. It's a windows VM. The environment comes with Steam already installed -- and you can sign into the Steam client with your own account. You can install software locally on your virtual drive. You can, and I did, install and run Dwarf Fortress. It was kinda cool to have a moderately- powerful VM running DF's world generation to make 1000-year histories.

    Competitive shooters are probably not good on Parsec, or any game where maximum responsiveness is critical -- but that limitation is shared by everyone in the space.
    The sickening part is that when Google announced Stadia, I assumed that it would be something like Parsec -- who, if anyone, can hit that theoretical four-hop goal? Hell, if this kind of thing caught on, Google could probably eliminate the ISP and bring it down to three hops.
    How they managed to mess this up I can't even.
    Yeah, Parsec won't do much for handhelds or for people who don't have high-bandwidth ultra-low-latency connections. But imagine the market forces pushing for low latency if something like a VM service were to catch on.
    With parsec, I paid for actual use time -- plus a nominal storage fee between sessions. If I told it to wipe my virtual drive when I signed out, it had zero ongoing maintenance cost when I was not signed in.
    The overall value prop at the time was just a tiny bit more than buying a gaming laptop every 18 months. Not a world-breaker by any stretch. But it or services like it deserve mention when talking about game streaming.

    • monika laosi

      monika laosi

      11 tuntia sitten

      I play GeForce Now on my Moto Z3 w/Moto controller mod via 4G all the time. You don't need a controller on GeForce now tho, because it has an on-screen controller option. I

  • Kevin Vilbig

    Kevin Vilbig

    17 tuntia sitten

    It is a bad idea from first principles.

  • nuB

    nuB

    17 tuntia sitten

    "HDR"
    Destiny 2 is free.
    Just do some dang latency, and video compression tests. That's where the sacrifice is with these services.

  • Kyle Leppard

    Kyle Leppard

    19 tuntia sitten

    project Xcloud is brilliant, i play on my tab s6 and it runs so smoothly and i love it

  • Chris Solis

    Chris Solis

    20 tuntia sitten

    SHadow PC is much better than any of these. Just saying..

  • TapNaporSnap

    TapNaporSnap

    20 tuntia sitten

    SHADOW VM. #endrant

  • Curtis Larsen

    Curtis Larsen

    20 tuntia sitten

    James: "A Shield is the only way you can use GeForce NOW on a TV"
    Riley: "Hold my Nintendo Switch"

  • bilias hour

    bilias hour

    22 tuntia sitten

    bluetooth controllers. Normally bluetooth interference isn't such a big deal, but in this case it will render games unplayable.

  • Overseer76

    Overseer76

    23 tuntia sitten

    Almost. You were ALMOST living the dream of playing Halo on an Apple device with a PlayStation controller!

  • literal doc

    literal doc

    23 tuntia sitten

    I wonder what the RGB range on the stadia is. Could possibly lead to no details in the blacks

  • GamE FrEak

    GamE FrEak

    23 tuntia sitten

    I really hope n pray Game streaming will never happen.

    • GamE FrEak

      GamE FrEak

      18 tuntia sitten

      @bilias hour I LOVE.Samurau Showdown. Bought it on SWITCH

    • bilias hour

      bilias hour

      22 tuntia sitten

      min 10, noobs they dont know how to pick up the sword in samurai shodown (they are too young, they never played the neo geo original game) nooooobbbsssss

  • Bonnie Slovaski

    Bonnie Slovaski

    Päivä sitten

    So Linus replace Luke with James after he got fat?

  • NyBSfP —

    NyBSfP —

    Päivä sitten

    When I was in HS (mid 90’s), most people had one system if at all and just a few PC games here or there. So you would mostly end up watching your friends play video games or taking turns chatting on AOL, Instant Messenger, random early website boards. And it was the worst. Absolutely boring AF. Nothing about the advancement of technology and reduced costs / increased access of it all would have led me to believe we’d not only end up back there, but that it would also turn into the trend. But here we are, a quarter of a century later, with Twitch, Twitter, etc... I will never understand.

  • Sangram Mukherjee

    Sangram Mukherjee

    Päivä sitten

    Okay google... Pick up my sword...😂😂

  • Jon Axford

    Jon Axford

    Päivä sitten

    One thing the Phil Spencer just talked about was making use of xCloud to trial games on GamePass, so you can see if you would enjoy the game before committing to downloading it, which I think is a great idea

  • Z. Murray

    Z. Murray

    Päivä sitten

    I play GeForce Now on my Moto Z3 w/Moto controller mod via 4G all the time.
    You don't need a controller on GeForce now tho, because it has an on-screen controller option.
    I also play Xbox Game streaming pretty regularly with the same setup, the input lag and video quality is usually better, as long as you have a really good signal. If you have poor signal tho, GeForce Now is a better option because it lowers the streaming quality to reduce tearing and decrease input lag

  • Leonardo Ribeiro de Almeida

    Leonardo Ribeiro de Almeida

    Päivä sitten

    I would love to see you trying Stadia on Chrome, using a keyboard and mouse.

  • Russell Gillan

    Russell Gillan

    Päivä sitten

    Definately give Shadow Tech a go, I've recently got my upgrade for 30 quid a month im getting 1TB SSD, RTX 2080 , 16GB ram and a 6 core CPU. I was needing to upgrade my PC but this is a better, cheaper alternative. and i can take it everywhere (even my crap work laptop!)

  • 向天翊

    向天翊

    Päivä sitten

    It’s funny how Linus’s expectation goes down the more streaming services he tries.
    Geforce NOW: “ *1080p with 60 fps, or 720p with 120fps* ”
    Linus: “Nah no 720p” “Why can’t we use 4K” “They aren’t giving us that much graphics resources” “What is this anti-aliasing” “You see this latency though?”
    Playstation NOW: “ *720p, 60fps and pc only* ”
    Linus: “ *You know, it actually doesn’t look that bad* “

  • Moose

    Moose

    Päivä sitten

    I use steamlink to game when I am away from my rig. Playing smaller titles or the like on my mobile (like when I commute). I get the appeal for these services, but for me I'd say as an extension to how I game.

  • mybrainmelted

    mybrainmelted

    Päivä sitten

    ...did he really just call haohmaru RYU? ....:\

  • Gergő Fábián

    Gergő Fábián

    Päivä sitten

    14:30 Or just plug your computer into your tv...

  • Time Gaming

    Time Gaming

    Päivä sitten

    You should not cut them some slack because everyone doesn't have good wifi streaming is manly good for people in good areas and or have paid extra for better connection and you also need to pay extra for games

  • Cancer Stick

    Cancer Stick

    Päivä sitten

    the only reason i dont want these services to take over the market is because i like having hardware and building my pc's lol

  • Harry Meyer

    Harry Meyer

    Päivä sitten

    What about Shadow PC??

  • Emanuele Bignone

    Emanuele Bignone

    Päivä sitten

    min 10, noobs they dont know how to pick up the sword in samurai shodown (they are too young, they never played the neo geo original game) nooooobbbsssss

  • Adam Selene

    Adam Selene

    Päivä sitten

    Why do people get used to paying more and getting less?

    • Adam Selene

      Adam Selene

      8 tuntia sitten

      @joemck85 I am not against streaming in itself, for gaming, video, audio, VR, or whatever else. But the price should reflect what you get. Prices should be lowered to reflect compromises to make services good values. For example, if you have to choose just one video streaming service, choose the one that gives you the most of what you want to watch for the lowest price.

    • joemck85

      joemck85

      8 tuntia sitten

      While I agree with the sentiment, I can also see using a service like these if I didn't want to spend even more all at once to buy a decent gaming PC or console. Or even if I did, but also wanted to play my games on the go using a phone or cheap lightweight laptop.

  • Ken STACKS

    Ken STACKS

    Päivä sitten

    10:12 ...did he say Riyuu? Like how they mentioned it in the Street FIghter movie?

  • Patrick Seitz BlackyRay

    Patrick Seitz BlackyRay

    Päivä sitten

    this video comes a bit late. GFN is already sold out. There is only a free tier left....
    Did you guys start gaming mode on your TV? Because it doesnt look so.

  • Good one!

    Good one!

    Päivä sitten

    How about you test it on "normal people" internet 😐

  • jazzmickge1

    jazzmickge1

    Päivä sitten

    I don't think its a fair real world test based on LMG internet bandwidth. They should do the test again at their home on a normal domestic connection to really see if it's still functional. And also to see if bandwidth creates more graphics distortion or even lag and drop-outs.

    • monika laosi

      monika laosi

      Päivä sitten

      Its like gaming in 2010

  • Chris Santana

    Chris Santana

    Päivä sitten

    Xx'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. x cloud and that's what I have to say about the subject

    • monika laosi

      monika laosi

      Päivä sitten

      it's so adorable. James is like a son explaining tech to his dad hahaha

  • PatrykMCMania

    PatrykMCMania

    Päivä sitten

    wait playstation 1 controllers are Bluetooth hahahhahahahh ohhh linus u goof ball :P

  • Johnathan Dearnaley

    Johnathan Dearnaley

    Päivä sitten

    The only way for #lienus to play games on a system he is capable of setting up is Stadia. Don't @ me.

  • Comedy Xd

    Comedy Xd

    Päivä sitten

    #lie-nus

  • MrAdam802

    MrAdam802

    Päivä sitten

    Xcloud is best of all.

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    immortal green

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  • praetorxyn

    praetorxyn

    Päivä sitten

    I don't think doing this from an office with a (probably prioritized) 1+ Gigabit connection is fair.
    That being said, if you ask me, for any "Netflix of gaming" to have any sort of chance at taking off, it needs to behave like Netflix does, where you don't have to buy any movies or games and just pay a monthly fee to stream them. Most of these services require you to buy the game on top of that monthly subscription fee; if you're gonna buy the game just save up for the hardware to run it on locally and you'll have a lot less problems.

  • Adrian Cristian Toma

    Adrian Cristian Toma

    Päivä sitten

    About Shadow? Nothing?

  • Blizbo Babkins

    Blizbo Babkins

    Päivä sitten

    What about Shadow Tech PCs??

  • Evx Eevvxx

    Evx Eevvxx

    2 päivää sitten

    3:16 hehe

  • Paul Moore

    Paul Moore

    2 päivää sitten

    Mobile gaming is becoming a real thing now actually.

  • ONESiXdesign

    ONESiXdesign

    2 päivää sitten

    Plug your phone to the tv, and play project X cloud using those wireless controller on TV(on your phone technically). Also you can use steam link using that setup. With all your game in steam library.

  • Aravind Krishna

    Aravind Krishna

    2 päivää sitten

    What about shadow PC ?

  • JeLezen Kalin

    JeLezen Kalin

    2 päivää sitten

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    Gamers : CACHE,CACHE,CACHE!

  • Nicholas Platts

    Nicholas Platts

    2 päivää sitten

    it's so adorable. James is like a son explaining tech to his dad hahaha

  • CHACHA AZAD

    CHACHA AZAD

    2 päivää sitten

    Its like gaming in 2010

  • mobile legend the legend ARARAD

    mobile legend the legend ARARAD

    2 päivää sitten

    Bro there is no faster than shadow its 0.01 ms

  • Don Pedro Hernadez

    Don Pedro Hernadez

    2 päivää sitten

    That snapping while turning that feels like latency sounds like a deadzone problem in your controllers. But then again I am no expert so I apologize if I am completely wrong. I just customize my dead zones on my controllers for different games for quick snapping or smooth turns.

    • Thomas Fox

      Thomas Fox

      2 päivää sitten

      Looks like he had the same issue on all services and controllers, so I'd guess it's more the few mS of latency there. Doesn't take much to become noticeable.

  • Chuck Gunter

    Chuck Gunter

    2 päivää sitten

    I can’t stand the latency on stream machines, even if it’s little

  • Baldwin xu

    Baldwin xu

    2 päivää sitten

    It’s kind of weird seeing your pulse way ad Before this video

  • Holam

    Holam

    2 päivää sitten

    How can you guy not trying Shadow ?!!

  • Kari Brockhausen

    Kari Brockhausen

    2 päivää sitten

    How opinions have changed once you’re no longer sponsored

  • Loundsify

    Loundsify

    2 päivää sitten

    I can use a Playstation 1 controller on the shield? Lol

  • neejoy sola

    neejoy sola

    2 päivää sitten

    For me it is directly related to "is there any hope for ISPs to improve?" and the answer is no.

    • Bonnie Slovaski

      Bonnie Slovaski

      23 tuntia sitten

      Copying a top comment and repost? God you are a pathetic loser

  • George PRIV

    George PRIV

    2 päivää sitten

    I had GeForce now while it was in beta- it was much better in beta than launch.

  • CurD

    CurD

    2 päivää sitten

    1:53 "or a playstation 1" PS1? What?

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    FREE Jackpot Bingo

    2 päivää sitten

    Not 100% sure you actually stink........but nice add!

    • neejoy sola

      neejoy sola

      2 päivää sitten

      I know streaming will be the future, but i can't bring myself to like it. I can already envision all the subscription prices whilst never 'owning' a game anymore. As for playing on a

  • Frank Woodson

    Frank Woodson

    2 päivää sitten

    Linus: "I think 6 hours is a reasonable length of time to be gaming at once"

    those are rookie numbers

  • Neil Lund

    Neil Lund

    2 päivää sitten

    I've only have GeForceNow and Stadia, but neither are great. Most days it has lag, frame drops and audio clipping. After all the kids started staying home, I've giving up trying to get either one to work.

  • Art Vandelay

    Art Vandelay

    2 päivää sitten

    I think James is a sociopath and im fine with it :)

  • Hannes Nel

    Hannes Nel

    2 päivää sitten

    lol...60hz at 1080 - no thanks, i will have my rig local

  • bo jackson

    bo jackson

    2 päivää sitten

    i got respect for this guy

  • arie gelfand

    arie gelfand

    2 päivää sitten

    not trying pvp?

  • Jesse Kerson

    Jesse Kerson

    2 päivää sitten

    Worth pointing out that if you don't continue to pay the $11 a month for Stadia you loose access to the free games on their service (Like Destiny) or any "Pro" game you have previously chosen. You do however keep all the games you have purchased.

  • UnitedStates -Ifunny

    UnitedStates -Ifunny

    2 päivää sitten

    U know how to build a PC like a god but play games like a 60 year old. How

  • Simon Lam

    Simon Lam

    2 päivää sitten

    Why didn't they try Shadow?

  • Jerah Joe

    Jerah Joe

    2 päivää sitten

    I like that sponsor sag-way in the beginning lol

  • Guillaume Alloxrinfo

    Guillaume Alloxrinfo

    2 päivää sitten

    Shadow

  • AZRubs

    AZRubs

    2 päivää sitten

    By a good gaming PC for a couple thousand *or* spend $50,000 to get a fiber optic cable trench dug and connected to my house...

  • d0rkmagnet

    d0rkmagnet

    2 päivää sitten

    People trash Stadia, but it's honestly not that bad for NBA 2k. So like they said, depends on the games you play.

  • Noah DeMello

    Noah DeMello

    2 päivää sitten

    I just remembered after watching this that AMD Link and Nvidia Gamestream still exist. How do those compare in terms of latency to all these new games streaming services? Not a lot of current YouTube coverage on either of these features

  • Spreehox _

    Spreehox _

    2 päivää sitten

    I think PS Now is super underrated

  • Koopa Library

    Koopa Library

    2 päivää sitten

    I know streaming will be the future, but i can't bring myself to like it. I can already envision all the subscription prices whilst never 'owning' a game anymore. As for playing on a phone, no thx.